On this “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- Kevin Hassett, White Home Nationwide Financial Council director
- Maryland Gov. Wes Moore, a Democrat
- Virginia Gov.-elect Abigail Spanberger, a Democrat
- New Jersey Gov.-elect Mikie Sherrill, a Democrat
- West Virginia Gov. Patrick Morrisey, a Republican
Click on right here to browse full transcripts from 2025 of “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan.”
MARGARET BRENNAN: I’m Margaret Brennan in Washington.
And this week on Face the Nation: the longest authorities shutdown in historical past, and no finish in sight. With every passing day, the impression of the federal government shutdown grows, with tens of millions of Individuals now going through main disruptions, from mass flight cancellations and delays due to staffing shortages to rising strains at meals banks, because the Supreme Courtroom lets the Trump administration withhold some cash to fund meals stamp advantages.
Frustration is mounting, and the blame sport is on.
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GOVERNOR JOSH SHAPIRO (D-Pennsylvania): After I see hungry individuals in my state who’re hungry due to J.D. Vance’s bull (EXPLETIVE DELETED) politics, that makes me offended.
SENATOR JOHN THUNE (R-South Dakota): Isn’t that what you all have been saying? It’s about leverage? This isn’t leverage. That is the lives of the American individuals.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll speak with Maryland’s Democratic Governor Wes Moore and West Virginia’s Republican Governor Patrick Morrisey about how they might fill the funding hole as security internet applications grasp in limbo.
The president’s prime financial adviser, Kevin Hassett, can even be part of us. We’ll ask him what sort of impression this shutdown is having on our economic system.
Plus:
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DONALD TRUMP (President of america): The entire collection of pricing and prices, the groceries and every part else, it was a con job. It was a con job. Affordability, they name it. It was a con job by the Democrats.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The place the president sees a con job, Democrats see a successful message in final week’s elections. We’ll hear from two incoming governors, Abigail Spanberger of Virginia and Mikie Sherrill of New Jersey.
It’s all simply forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.
The Senate is in session right now, a uncommon weekend workday for lawmakers, however there may be nonetheless no deal to reopen the federal government.
We start this morning with the director of the White Home Nationwide Financial Council, Kevin Hassett.
That is now the longest shutdown in American historical past. The treasury secretary instructed us two weeks in the past November 15 was the exhausting cease for any paychecks going to U.S. troops. Does that stay the purpose of exhaustion?
KEVIN HASSETT (Director, Nationwide Financial Council): Proper. I feel that that’s about the fitting quantity.
And the issue is that, beneath the legislation, we’re not allowed to spend cash that hasn’t been appropriated. And there’s a legislation, the Antideficiency Act, that claims that, if a authorities official spends cash that isn’t appropriated by Congress, which is able to solely occur if the Democrats vote to open up the federal government, then you possibly can even have prison penalties.
And so individuals are very rigorously learning the legislation and making an attempt to get as a lot cash out the door as is authorized. And we’re very glad that we discovered a approach to get numerous the SNAP cash out, however it’s actually, actually pushing the boundaries of the legislation, which is why the Supreme Courtroom needed to take that ruling from Rhode Island and put it on maintain.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Till the decrease court docket guidelines.
KEVIN HASSETT: Till the decrease court docket goes again and comes up with a authorized justification for what they mentioned, as a result of there most likely isn’t one, sadly, which is why we now have to get this authorities open.
I imply, the actual fact is, Goldman Sachs, they’ve a prime financial group, and so they’re estimating that we’ve already knocked about 1.5 p.c off of GDP. I feel that quantity might be low if we maintain going even a pair extra weeks, as a result of there’s going to be a large quantity of air disruption, particularly across the holidays.
And one in every of these items – now and again, after we’re speaking economics, you and I, we discuss seasonal changes and issues like that. However the truth is that Thanksgiving – that Thanksgiving time is likely one of the hottest instances of the yr for the economic system. It’s Black Friday, you already know, and all that form of stuff.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
KEVIN HASSETT: And if individuals aren’t touring at that second, then we actually might be a unfavourable quarter for the fourth quarter.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Which is considerably disruptive to the president’s agenda.
However to the purpose you had been simply making about meals stamps – and we noticed this Friday, a brief keep by the Supreme Courtroom that may block full meals stamp advantages pending the decrease court docket determination. The administration’s argument, as you simply referenced there, was that it could be unlawful to maneuver round funding and to faucet the Part 32 account on the USDA.
However why not do that as a short-term patchwork resolution? As a result of you might have discovered methods with the navy pay to stretch issues out. Why prioritize in that case and never accomplish that with meals?
KEVIN HASSETT: Nicely, the president’s job and all of our jobs is to uphold the legislation.
And when – I’m not a lawyer, however when the legal professionals inform us…
MARGARET BRENNAN: However, arguably…
KEVIN HASSETT: … what we will do…
MARGARET BRENNAN: … that wasn’t finished with the navy.
KEVIN HASSETT: However – however – however, sure, I feel that the navy is completely different due to the commander in chief stuff.
However the authorized evaluation means that we’re doing every part by the e-book after which stretching issues as a lot as we will, and principally making an attempt to maintain individuals from committing crimes, which, you already know, you already know about – within the season of lawfare, if you’re a Cupboard secretary and also you spend cash that’s not appropriated for that function in your Cupboard, then they’ll come again and so they can take you to court docket.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you’re additionally making a political wager that Democrats aren’t going to problem paying the navy. Do you actually suppose Democrats would problem and take to court docket paying individuals for his or her meals stamp advantages…
KEVIN HASSETT: Let’s simply say that we’ve seen Democrats take…
MARGARET BRENNAN: … if – if Congress goes to fund it, when the shutdown ends?
KEVIN HASSETT: We’ve seen Democrats take to court docket those who – on actually, actually poor, poor expenses, and so I feel they’re more likely to do something.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, it appears a political calculation is the purpose.
KEVIN HASSETT: Nicely, we – we don’t have a political calculation. Our calculation is to get the federal government open, to get the meals stamps to individuals, and to get individuals to be paid; 750,000 authorities employees aren’t getting paid proper now.
I do know you’re speaking to the governor of Maryland in a minute. I’m certain his individuals are actually hurting. Let’s simply get the federal government open, after which let’s discuss issues just like the well being care premiums, however try this by way of common order.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely – so, it feels like you might be saying the place is identical, open the federal government, then we’ll discuss well being care.
However the president, simply prior to now 36 hours, has put out quite a few social media posts. It sounds form of like he’s proposing one thing in regard to medical insurance funds. He mentioned: “I’m recommending to Senate Republicans that lots of of billions of {dollars} presently being despatched to money-sucking insurance coverage firms to avoid wasting dangerous well being care offered by Obamacare now be despatched to the individuals to allow them to buy their very own, significantly better well being care.”
He additionally mentioned they need to terminate Obamacare. What does this various system appear to be? As a result of your entire standoff is about well being care proper now.
KEVIN HASSETT: Proper. Nicely, the president is, you already know, a gorgeous tactician, a gorgeous negotiator.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is a proposal?
KEVIN HASSETT: And what he – that is – you already know, what he mentioned, he’s brainstorming and making an attempt to assist the Senate give you a deal that may get the federal government open.
And one of many issues you possibly can do is, conservatives imagine that they don’t need the federal government to micromanage individuals’s lives. And, you already know, all people believes that folks ought to have well being care, and so why not take the individuals who have increased well being care premiums and simply mail them a examine and allow them to determine?
The explanation why it may have an impact is that there are a number of tiers beneath the Inexpensive Care Act of various kinds of insurance coverage. And it might be that folks would quite have the cash and go from, like, you already know, this type of plan to that form of plan and save themselves a bit bit.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is that this the…
KEVIN HASSETT: And in order that’s – that’s, you already know, principally giving the individuals a chance to make extra selections than the federal government normally lets them.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is that this the Senator Cassidy proposal?
KEVIN HASSETT: I’m certain that Senator Cassidy and President Trump talked about it, however whether or not he agrees with every part that Cassidy – I haven’t talked to him about it but.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, does the Republican chief within the Senate settle for…
KEVIN HASSETT: The president…
MARGARET BRENNAN: … this proposal?
KEVIN HASSETT: The president has – began this concept yesterday. I don’t suppose that it’s been mentioned broadly within the Senate but.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So the president…
KEVIN HASSETT: It’s the weekend.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The Senate’s in session this weekend.
KEVIN HASSETT: Sure, the Senate is in session this weekend. And we’re…
MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of they’re making an attempt to finish the shutdown.
KEVIN HASSETT: And right here I’m.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However this isn’t the Republican Get together’s place?
KEVIN HASSETT: Present – as of proper now, it’s not the Senate place, however the president thought it was one thing they need to take into consideration.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, he appears to be negotiating earlier than the federal government’s open.
KEVIN HASSETT: He’s speaking to his colleagues within the Senate on the Republican aspect.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you’d agree that there does must be a deal on well being care, that well being care prices are too excessive?
KEVIN HASSETT: Nicely, I feel that, in the event you have a look at the Inexpensive Care Act, these premiums weren’t made everlasting by the Democrats through the COVID emergency as a result of they had been anxious concerning the budgetary prices.
And so in the event you have a look at the premium will increase, they don’t have an effect on most individuals under two instances the poverty line, 3 times the poverty line. However there are numerous senior residents which can be above, like, round 4 instances the poverty degree, which with a husband and spouse group, can be about $120,000, which can be seeing actually massive premium will increase.
And I feel that everyone’s going to need to take into consideration what the subsequent step for that may be, as a result of are seeing – once more, most individuals aren’t seeing a lot of a rise in any respect, however the most will increase you’re seeing might be as much as about $500 a month for seniors who’ve actually pricey plans.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The president has additionally been speaking about affordability.
And our CBS polling exhibits the president’s approval score on the economic system has dipped to 38 p.c, the bottom of this time period; 75 p.c of these polled say he’s not focusing sufficient on decreasing costs.
However the president mentioned this week Democrats are making it up and – quote – “Each value is down.”
I’m certain you already know the Client Worth Index confirmed grocery costs are up almost 3 p.c in September from a yr in the past.
KEVIN HASSETT: Nicely, however let’s undergo – let’s undergo the details.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you dispute that?
KEVIN HASSETT: Nicely, let – really, sure, let’s undergo the details, proper?
So, inflation went up about 5 p.c beneath President Biden. In President Trump’s first eight or 9 months, relying the place we get the final quantity, it’s up 2.7 p.c. One of many massive issues that’s hurting affordability is mortgages. The rate of interest went up by about 4 p.c.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is grocery costs.
KEVIN HASSETT: No, grocery costs are literally down considerably beneath Trump. However right here’s the factor…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, it is determined by which merchandise.
KEVIN HASSETT: No, let me – I’ll simply make some extent, that in the event you have a look at the actual discount in spending energy for Individuals beneath Joe Biden, then it went down about $3,000, as a result of we had as much as 9 p.c inflation, after which they went to the grocery retailer, they couldn’t purchase the issues they’re used to purchasing.
The true spending energy adjusted for inflation beneath President Trump has gone up about $1,200 up to now this yr; $1,200 will not be $3,000. And so individuals are proper to really feel stretched, however we’re making progress. And in the event you have a look at all of the issues, the constructive issues, concerning the economic system, industrial manufacturing nearly at an all-time excessive, capital spending about at an all-time excessive…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
KEVIN HASSETT: … GDP development proper now about 4 p.c, then that exhibits that the earnings development that we have to get extra affordability is on the trail to taking place.
And the underside line is that the final Client Worth Index shocked down. It was decrease than anticipated. And it was really – would have been even decrease, as a result of there was a refinery shutdown that induced it to go barely increased. So we see inflation beneath management and the economic system booming.
However we perceive one hundred pc why individuals are nonetheless hurting, as a result of we haven’t made up all of the room that was misplaced beneath Joe Biden.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So are you comfy with 3 p.c inflation?
KEVIN HASSETT: I’m comfy with 2 p.c inflation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, no, you’re not joyful the place issues at the moment are?
KEVIN HASSETT: I feel – effectively, they have to go down a bit bit extra, however there – however the level is that inflation is just like the Queen Mary, my pal Alan Greenspan used to say.
So whenever you go from nearly 4 p.c that we had in January…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
KEVIN HASSETT: … all the way down to the mid 2’s, then that’s a trajectory that normally has momentum.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, the St. Louis Fed discovered tariffs account for half-a- share level of the annual inflation charge. How a lot do you suppose the tariffs are mountaineering costs?
KEVIN HASSETT: You realize, there’s a few papers on the market that say that costs went up by between two-tenths and five-tenths.
And the factor to recollect, if these papers are true, is that that’s a degree regulate, as a result of the tariff goes in, after which the tariff is simply there, so it doesn’t have an effect on inflation sooner or later. So, it could be a one-time degree regulate.
Our estimates at CEA are a lot nearer to zero, and it’s all primarily based on modeling and assumptions about elasticities and issues. However for essentially the most half, the a technique you may see it’s, you possibly can have a look at the worth of imported items, and the worth of imported items, CEA put a report out, has really been declining beneath tariffs, as a result of what occurs is that the Chinese language need to promote us numerous stuff.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
KEVIN HASSETT: And there’s a tariff, and they also lower their costs in order that they’ll nonetheless have a bigger market share within the U.S.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Kevin Hassett, all the time good to have you ever right here in particular person.
KEVIN HASSETT: Nice to be right here, after all. Thanks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We have now to depart it there for now.
We’ll be proper again in a minute. Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re joined now by the Democratic governor of Maryland, Wes Moore.
Good to have you ever right here in particular person.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE (D-Maryland): Nice to be with you. Thanks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, Governor, one in eight Individuals use meals stamps. In Maryland, you might have about 700,000 individuals, as I perceive it, who depend on this for meals assist.
Because the Supreme Courtroom put that keep in place on Friday, are you aware whether or not that cash will really be out there to residents in your state to purchase meals?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: We don’t know, and that’s why we’re not ready.
It’s why, simply prior to now few days, I’ve approved over $10 million that’s going in direction of heating help for individuals within the state of Maryland. Over $10 million has gone to our Maryland meals banks, that we now have made public transportation free for all of our federal employees, as a result of they, in lots of instances, are going to work and never being paid.
And I’ve additionally approved $62 million to go in direction of SNAP to be sure that SNAP will not be going to be interrupted for the individuals of Maryland for so long as we will, even if we’re ready for the president of america to lastly do his job.
We’re watching the president who’s actually breaking the legislation so individuals can starve, however we’re not going to take a seat there and tolerate in our state.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, you simply heard Director Hassett say that they’re making an attempt to observe the legislation, which is why they went to the courts.
The USDA did say they had been going to work in direction of implementing full funds, after which there was this Supreme Courtroom keep put in place. So, do you might have readability on when cash may be coming by way of in any respect? Like, what’s the federal authorities telling you?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: There is no such thing as a readability – readability in any respect.
Prior to now – prior to now six days, we’ve obtained 4 completely different measures of steering from the USDA and from the Trump administration about the best way to deal with it, the place, initially, it was mentioned, effectively, pay attention, we would like the states to assist to help, and even if this program was constructed as a partnership between the federal authorities and the states, the place the federal authorities had been actually serving to to underwrite these prices for individuals.
After which as soon as we determined to step up and say, we’re going to be sure that our individuals are going to be OK, we now have now…
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’re fronting the cash?
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GOVERNOR WES MOORE: That we’re going to entrance the cash.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: We’ve now obtained steering saying the states are going to be punished for fronting the cash.
There’s a chaos, and it’s an intentional chaos, that we’re seeing from this administration, and the place they’ve cash for every part. They acquired cash to struggle wars. They acquired cash for ballrooms. They acquired cash for every part.
However in relation to supporting the American individuals, that’s now when they’re crying, effectively, we’re broke, and that’s not what the legislation requires us to do.
MARGARET BRENNAN: As you already know, the White Home says these – these sponsorships for the ballroom are separate from authorities cash.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However on – on the difficulty, although, of the shutdown itself, on Friday, we did see the Democratic chief, Schumer, supply to finish it if Republicans conform to a one-year extension of the Obamacare well being care subsidies.
Republicans mentioned that’s a – that’s a nonstarter. That is going to make – it is a massive concern for the midterms. However would you – would you inform the Democrats on Capitol Hill to dig in, that the ache that the people who find themselves dwelling in your state is someway going to be value it ultimately for an extension of a tax credit score?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: There is no such thing as a ache that’s value it. Our individuals are hurting, and so they’re hurting due to these video games that we proceed to see from Washington, D.C.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However would you inform Democrats, simply take the vote, open the federal government, then maintain negotiating well being care?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: I need the federal government reopened now. There is no such thing as a state that’s coping with extra of an impression from this than the state of Maryland.
We have now over 260,000 federal employees inside our state, that, even earlier than the shutdown, Donald Trump had fired over 15,000 Maryland employees, federal employees, greater than another state on this nation.
However I additionally know that saying {that a} prerequisite for having the federal authorities open shouldn’t be kicking up premiums by 90 p.c, by kicking individuals off of well being care. There’s a bar – there’s a – there’s a – there’s a barbaric nature to this ask and this request, significantly after we’re watching how the Trump – you already know, the Trump administration, they’ve the White Home, the Home and the Senate.
They will get this deal finished by simply merely making a telephone name, however they’re permitting this ache to exist.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However Democrats even have a promise from the Republican chief within the Senate that he’ll discuss well being care in the event that they reopen the federal government.
Why isn’t that ok?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Why – why…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Would you inform your members of the Democratic Get together to – – to alleviate the ache within the instant time period out of your state?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: I might inform them that we have to be certain that reopening the federal government doesn’t imply kicking my individuals off of well being care, that after we’re spending time proper now over in Western Maryland and Appalachia – and I’m proud to function the because the – as a co-chair of the Appalachian Regional – Regional Fee, the place we’re serving Appalachia, all all through not simply Maryland, however all through West Virginia, all through Tennessee and Pennsylvania.
And after we’re chatting with our of us on the market who’re already watching their premiums bounce, who’re already watching every part change into dearer due to these insurance policies, I don’t suppose that anyone, whether or not in Western Maryland or any a part of my state, would say, sure, it’s OK, in the event you simply watch my well being care go away.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, well being care costs are going up even within the non-public market for lots of various causes.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Completely.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However let me ask you about what’s taking place in Maryland.
This previous Tuesday, out in California, we noticed this Proposition 50; 64 p.c of California voters got here out in help of what Gavin Newsom put on the market with redistricting. This could permit him to cost forward with plans to probably achieve a further 5 Democratic congressional seats.
That is gerrymandering. You’re looking at midterm redistricting in your state as effectively. Of eight districts, you solely have one Republican. Do you actually suppose Maryland is drawn in an unfair means proper now?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: I feel that the explanation that I ordered the Governor’s Redistricting Advisory Fee is as a result of I need to be sure that we will have a bipartisan group having the ability to have a look at the maps within the state of Maryland. That is one thing that occurs each single…
MARGARET BRENNAN: You don’t suppose these maps are honest now?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: That is one thing that occurs each single decade. And if different states are going to have this course of and undergo this – undergo this journey of figuring out whether or not or not they’ve honest maps in a mid-decade cycle, then so ought to Maryland.
I’m simply unsure why we needs to be enjoying by a special algorithm than Texas or than Florida or than Ohio or all these different locations.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Since you say these states are being unfair. So why undertake unfair insurance policies in your state?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: That is simply merely about ensuring that we will have honest and consultant maps and we will undergo our course of.
It’s the explanation that I’ve – I put collectively this fee, the place my job will not be to attract the maps, that what we’ve simply merely mentioned is, I need this bipartisan fee to have the ability to really communicate with the individuals and to have the ability to undergo their course of and simply merely say that, if different states are going to undergo this course of, that we’re not simply going to take a seat on our palms as a result of Donald Trump tells us to, that that’s not the way in which this course of goes to work.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, your State Senate president, Democrat Invoice Ferguson, says this might backfire.
He wrote: “I imagine mid-cycle redistricting twist guidelines for potential short-term benefit whereas undermining belief in establishments and in the end democracy. It’s too dangerous and jeopardizes your state’s capacity to struggle towards the novel Trump administration.”
How do you make sure that it doesn’t backfire? Do you settle for a map that provides you extra Republican districts? You’re not going to do this.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: I feel preventing for democracy isn’t dangerous. I feel that’s our job as leaders and elected officers. And…
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you’re not committing to going with the result of what this fee supplies to you?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: No, I feel the fee – what I need is for the fee to do their work and the fee to do their job. My job will not be to attract the maps.
And, frankly, it’s the state legislature’s job to determine to vote on it. That isn’t my accountability. My job is to be sure that I’m defending the democratic course of. And the Senate president and I, we agree on the disaster that Donald Trump has put us in.
He agrees on the truth that we now have watched an administration that’s utilizing the Structure prefer it’s a suggestion field. However what I’m merely – and the place we – the place we differ is the urgency that this second requires, the struggle that this second requires.
And I personally am somebody who will not be going to permit Donald Trump to find out whether or not or not Maryland follows this concept of claiming, are we going to do every part we will to ensure we’re preserving our democracy?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor Moore, thanks on your time this morning.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Thanks a lot.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’ll be proper again with much more Face the Nation, so stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to the Democratic governor-elect of Virginia, Abigail Spanberger. She joins us this morning from Glen Allen, simply outdoors of Richmond.
Welcome to Face the Nation.
ABIGAIL SPANBERGER (D-Virginia) (Governor-Elect): Thanks a lot for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, Virginia boasts one of many highest numbers of federal employees within the nation, and, as you already know, a lot of them usually are not getting paid.
You realize, some in your occasion have a look at your election on Tuesday and the win in New Jersey and say that’s permission to carry the road in Congress and refuse to fund the federal government or fold on the shutdown. Ought to congressional Democrats view your victory that means?
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: Completely not.
Our victory was a victory that was primarily based on a marketing campaign that was addressing considerations associated to prices and chaos. My marketing campaign throughout the previous two years had been centered on listening to the challenges that individuals are going through all throughout Virginia.
It’s rising prices in well being care, housing, power, and it’s the chaos popping out of Washington that has been impacting Virginians so severely, starting with the DOGE efforts, after all, persevering with with chaotic commerce insurance policies, and now on this authorities shutdown.
Virginians must and Virginians need to see the federal government reopen. And my expectation is that we are going to see a Congress, a Senate, and in the end a president, driving us in that course.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However ought to congressional Democrats open the federal government after which discuss well being care?
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: The federal government must open, and it must open instantly.
We want the president to exhibit management, bringing individuals collectively, endeavoring to get by way of no matter negotiations must get by way of, whether or not it’s earlier than or after. My precedence is the – is specializing in the wants and the – the devastation, frankly…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: … that greater than 300,000 Virginians are going through.
And that’s simply the federal workers, authorities contractors. They may by no means get made entire. Everything of Virginia’s economic system is impacted by the shutdown, simply as we’ve been impacted by DOGE assaults, and the federal government must reopen rapidly.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, and that’s why I’m asking, as a result of there are, what, 825,000 enrollees on meals assist within the SNAP program. They’re in limbo proper now.
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: That’s proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’ve gotten instant ache. So, at what level do you weigh that towards the potential of well being care premiums? I imply, this ache may be very actual and really acute for individuals in your state proper now.
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: And it’s been happening now for weeks, weeks too lengthy. The federal government must reopen as a result of, along with the ache that we’re already seeing federal workers and authorities contractors going through….
MARGARET BRENNAN: However eight Democrats may cross the aisle and accomplish that.
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: We completely want everybody to vote to open the federal government.
And that’s to not say that the challenges we’re going through inside our well being care system usually are not additionally instant and acute. Even the passage of the One Huge Stunning Invoice may have catastrophic impacts on Virginia, taking $26 billion out of our well being care, resulting in the closure of not less than six rural hospitals.
We’ve already seen three rural clinics announce their closure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: A whole bunch of hundreds will lose their Medicaid.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me…
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: And so the impacts on well being care are already catastrophic.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to…
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: However we can not compound that ache by protecting the federal government closed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let’s take a break and end this on the opposite aspect of it.
Please stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we shall be proper again with much more Face the Nation.
Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to “FACE THE NATION.”
We return to our dialog with Virginia Governor-elect Abigail Spanberger.
Governor-elect, synthetic intelligence has created a very massive demand for these information facilities. And Virginia has the world’s largest focus of them. Energy payments are up almost seven p.c in your state over the previous yr. Is that pushed by the A.I. increase? And, in that case, how do you offset these rising power prices?
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER (D-VA): Nicely, what we’ve seen within the – within the analysis up to now is that it isn’t – the rise prices usually are not pushed by the rise in information facilities. There’s, you already know, some dangerous power insurance policies in a few of our neighboring states which have pushed up costs, significantly in southwest Virginia.
However wanting in direction of the long run, we now have to be clear-eyed about the truth that we may have an power disaster headed into the long run. And so right here, on the bottom in Virginia, we presently have a charge (ph) case the place it will likely be necessary that large-scale power customers, significantly information facilities, that the general public know that they’re paying their fair proportion for the power that they’re utilizing. And we now have to extend our power manufacturing right here at dwelling in order that we will meet the demand definitely of larger-scale power customers but in addition of elevated demand from our communities.
And it’s a actual problem that we now have to get forward of. And that’s why among the many first affordability plans that I laid out was one centered on power. It’s a problem that’s pervasive throughout our communities, and significantly acute in southwest Virginia.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Just some days in the past Cornell College reached a $60 million take care of the Trump administration so as to see their federal funding restored. That is the fifth such deal because the administration started this stress marketing campaign on universities.
I do know you went to College of Virginia, as did I, and have to be following that UVA lower offers with the federal government, together with kicking out the president of the college. You referred to as that extortion. However now, as governor, are you going to must play ball with the Division of Schooling and the Justice Division so as to maintain federal authorities funding going?
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: So, it ought to – it ought to shock everybody that universities, private and non-private, are receiving calls for from the federal authorities and that {dollars} – analysis {dollars} are being withheld, that our universities are beneath assault. And definitely what we’ve seen within the case of the College of Virginia, of a preferred, skilled, wonderful president, was pushed out. And on the bottom right here we didn’t see our governor, in any means, step up in protection of our college.
And the concept that the federal authorities can be withholding federal {dollars}, you already know, together with {dollars} already appropriated by Congress for analysis so as to compel universities to take sure actions, it’s absolute federal authorities overreach. And as governor, I shall be clear- eyed about making certain that we now have buildings in place, together with boards of tourists throughout our universities, that need to defend tutorial freedom and, frankly, the viability and vitality of extraordinary establishments, just like the College of Virginia.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to ask you about your occasion. In 2020, when Democrats misplaced Home seats, you mentioned “we have to not ever use the phrase socialist or socialism ever once more.” There are some who look to Tuesday’s win in New York Metropolis of a Democratic socialist and say that your occasion’s really being rewarded for echoing progressive insurance policies. Does that victory create a branding downside for Democrats?
GOVERNOR-ELECT ABIGAIL SPANBERGER: Nicely, definitely, you already know, I’m enthusiastic about what we did right here in Virginia on Tuesday in – I campaigned addressing – wanting to deal with the problems of prices and stopping the chaos. I’m a capitalist. I’m a Democrat. And I received by 15 factors in Virginia. You look to New Jersey, and an identical story in Mikie Sherrill’s win, now the governor- elect there.
And so I feel, you already know, definitely we’re a giant tent occasion, however once I have a look at what led to the success that we had right here and the – you already know, the mandate for actual governance right here within the Commonwealth of Virginia, it was primarily based on what I campaigned on, the efforts to essentially deal with the challenges that individuals are going through in a day-to-day foundation. And – and now it’s on us to ship and show that basically actually the mandate that we now have to work on decreasing prices and strengthening our colleges and protecting our communities protected and creating regular management right here within the Commonwealth of Virginia significantly in mild of the chaos popping out of Washington, that not solely was it a successful message, however the successful path in direction of governance.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thanks very a lot on your time this morning, Governor- elect Abigail Spanberger, the – who would be the first feminine governor ever of the state of Virginia.
We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: On Friday, we spoke with one of many different massive Democratic winners final Tuesday, New Jersey’s Governor-elect Mikie Sherrill, who’s presently a member of Congress, and requested whether or not given her new function because the chief govt of a state exhausting hit by the shutdown she would help the Democratic Get together place of blocking authorities funding till Obamacare subsidies are prolonged.
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GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL (D-NJ): Nicely, it’s actually necessary that we sustain that struggle as a result of we see out there prices going up by 175 p.c if the Republicans don’t deal with this well being care disaster. We all know that there have already been big cuts within the one massive, stunning invoice to individuals’s entry to well being care.
And, you already know, after we have a look at this disaster, a lot of it’s actually imposed by Donald Trump. So, there may be cash for him to place in direction of SNAP funding that he’s refusing to do, despite the fact that courts are demanding it. Now he’s form of sluggish strolling it, making it very troublesome for states to do this illegally. And courts are holding him accountable.
We see with air site visitors management issues, a few of it is because the administration hasn’t moved rapidly sufficient at Newark in a number of the issues we had over the summer time. So, we’re already down by 25 p.c. Now, with this disaster happening, as a result of the president refuses to open up the federal government, we’re seeing one other 10 p.c in flights being derailed, and we see continued late and delayed flights.
So, it’s time that the federal government – that the Trump administration, that Republicans within the Home and the Senate get critical about opening up authorities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Once we have a look at our latest polling, a majority of Individuals are actually involved that this shutdown goes to harm the general economic system. How are you going to justify the harm?
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: Nicely, it actually is hurting the economic system. And you’ll’t justify the harm, which is why the president and the Senate and Republican majority within the Home must get this authorities open. And so they want to take action in a means that’s going to cease punishing the American individuals.
I feel what we noticed with this election is the American individuals want – you already know, are actually demanding that our federal authorities function in a means that’s going to cease punishing them economically. I’ll inform you, I ran on affordability, on the truth that I’m going to struggle in Trenton to ensure we’re reducing by way of purple tape and allowing to drive down prices. But in addition that I’m going to proceed to struggle that – for Washington to deal with issues just like the tariff program, which is elevating prices on every part from a cup of espresso to groceries, to struggle the one massive stunning invoice, which is continuous to boost prices on training, innovation, housing, well being care, to proceed to struggle this authorities shutdown in order that we will actually deal with well being care wants right here within the state.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You retain saying it’s as much as the president to reopen the federal government, however you withheld your individual vote on that persevering with decision, that short-term funding invoice. And over within the Senate, Chief Thune is tearing into Democrats for that call. He mentioned, “it exhibits you’re not caring that there are women and men in uniform frequenting meals banks due to the shutdown, not making signify funds, making an attempt to borrow.” He mentioned Dems view this as leverage. And he used that phrase as a result of it was your Home management, Katherine Clark, justified withholding votes to finish the shutdown, saying, that’s one of many few components of leverage that Democrats have.
How do you reply to this accusation that it’s really Democrats who’re being heartless right here?
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: Nicely, when you might have the Republicans which have the presidency, they’ve the bulk within the Senate, they’ve the bulk within the Home, they’ve even – many would day, together with myself, taken over the court docket system, then they’ve a accountability to open up this authorities. And I’ve to inform you, as a veteran myself, I understand how devastating that’s.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, it was – it was with Clark who mentioned these votes are leverage.
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: Leverage to serve the American individuals. I imply we see time and again these Republican assaults on every part from well being care – look, in the event that they don’t fund the Inexpensive Care Act, prices are going to go up by 175 p.c for individuals right here in New Jersey at already excessive ranges. That’s going to kick so many individuals off well being care. That’s on prime of the large Medicare cuts that we’re seeing within the one massive stunning invoice, on prime of the tariff cuts which can be elevating grocery costs in every single place, on prime of the struggle he’s in, which is elevating fuel costs.
So, time and again, we’re seeing the Trump administration punishing individuals. And these Republicans have gotten to return to the desk and so they’ve acquired to start out actually working for the American individuals. And this election confirmed that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However whenever you had been speaking concerning the extension of the well being care subsidies, why isn’t the promise to carry a vote on these well being care subsidies sufficient for Democrats to vote to reopen the federal government?
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: So, we’re working exhausting to deal with the considerations for the American individuals. And Republicans time and again are refusing to deal with that. So, proper now that is a part of how we get the federal government open. And they need to do it proper now.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, the – Chief Thune mentioned he’ll maintain a vote.
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: I feel we now have seen what the guarantees that Republicans have made have been value. What he must do is definitely put the subsidies in. We will serve the American individuals. We will drive down well being care prices. And that’s actually key.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let’s speak a bit about your election. As you mentioned, the economic system was entrance and heart for you. Power costs specifically you centered in on. In New Jersey, they’re up 19 p.c over the previous yr versus six p.c nationwide. I do know you need to declare a state of emergency day one, however what does it really imply? How rapidly will costs come down?
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: So, the state of emergency will freeze charge hikes as a result of there are some charge hikes which can be set to return into play within the subsequent a number of months. And I, you already know, I’m not going to permit these to be placed on the again of the New Jersey charge pair. And we see that the can has been kicked down the highway by too many individuals.
So, the utility firms have already come to the desk so say, OK, let’s negotiate these charge hikes. We have now cash that is available in by way of the BP (ph) view (ph) to defray the prices. However what’s actually going to additionally occur may be very rapidly I’m turning to including numerous energy to our grid. Proper now, PJM, that’s our regional grid operator, has actually screwed up the marketplace for numerous causes and so each electron we produce in New Jersey will defray the prices of electrical energy we now have to purchase in the marketplace. So, that’s why instantly I’m going to chop by way of purple tape and allowing delays to get photo voltaic finished. We’re going to proceed to construct out battery storage. After which, within the first price range, we are going to broaden modernization of our pure fuel amenities and, in the long run, nuclear.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You mentioned on CNN this previous week that “there’s a sense working individuals haven’t been heard” and that “there’s an excessive amount of warning and mediocrity within the Democratic Get together right now.” What did you imply by that?
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: That as I used to be speaking to individuals throughout this state, hundreds of individuals, they needed to see an agenda to get their prices down. And one thing that was going to happen rapidly. As I mentioned, you already know, I’m not writing a strongly worded letter, I’m not doing a ten-year plan, I’m on day one declaring a state of emergency. Not simply because I’m livid that, you already know, as too many individuals have failed New Jersey charge payers, that prices are being dumped on them. Sure, that may be a big downside for me that I’m addressing. However it additionally, I feel, conveys that sense of urgency that I really feel to work for the individuals of New Jersey in order that they know that it is a day one concern for me.
Additionally they need to see any person, although, that has their backs as a result of they know that these tariffs are elevating prices. They know that the one massive, stunning invoice goes to remove their well being care. They know {that a} tax on the Gateway Tunnel mission are going to boost prices right here and actually lower into job alternatives. So, they need to know that whoever is governing goes to be centered on governing for them, not a celebration of 1 like Donald Trump.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, your criticism there was of fellow Democrats, as I understood it. However let me ask you about Speaker Emeritus Nancy Pelosi. She simply introduced that she goes to be leaving Congress. After I spoke to her final on this program, she indicated that she is aware of it’s an issue recruiting new candidates, partially due to the atmosphere we’re in, together with simply how nasty our politics are and the safety threats. And she or he mentioned that’s discouraging specifically ladies who worry the impression on kids.
What do you say to these contemplating for workplace proper now? Are you seeing that, that feminine candidates are afraid of doing what you simply did?
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: Nicely, we labored very exhausting right here in New Jersey to essentially construct out a future and an concept that’s going to carry all people in and actually working exhausting to maintain individuals protected. Public security is a large someway for me and for individuals throughout the state as we double down on our constitutional protections, freedom of speech, freedom of meeting, et cetera. However it’s a scary time.
I bear in mind, proper after I received my major, the assassinations in Minnesota came about. And right here I’ve 4 youngsters and I’m out of the blue considering, oh my gosh, am I placing them in danger by working?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOVERNOR-ELECT MIKIE SHERRILL: However, you already know, what I feel most of us are weighing is, as mothers, if we’re candidates is, what’s my youngsters’ future appear to be if I don’t run? And that’s on steadiness, I feel, individuals are selecting to run. I see ladies throughout our state working. We have now, you already know, individuals newly moving into races and in addition a number of the nice highly effective ladies in our state persevering with to serve. So, I don’t suppose it’s dissuading them. However it definitely is on our minds as we’re fascinated with, how are we going to maintain our households protected as we’re working for elected workplace.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, Congresswoman, we’ll be watching as you transition into being the subsequent governor of New Jersey.
Thanks on your time right now.
We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to the Republican governor of West Virginia, Patrick Morrisey, who joins us from Charleston.
Good morning to you, sir.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY (R-WV): Hey, good morning, Margaret. Good to be with you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, your state has one of many highest poverty charges within the nation, almost 16 p.c of residents depend on meals stamps, that SNAP program we’ve been speaking about. The truth is, the very first meals stamp pilot program started in West Virginia again within the Nineteen Sixties.
Given the present shutdown and the way rural your state is, I ponder, can you get assist to those that want it proper now?
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: Completely. Look, nice query. I do need to begin out, to start with, thanking you for having me on this system.
One piece of data popping out of West Virginia, we’ve had a mining accident, and we now have groups down on the lookout for a lacking miner. I simply need to say, that our hearts and prayers exit to the household of that miner. We’re doing every part we will to find that particular person.
Now, in relation to the federal government shutdown, we’re doing every part we will to assist these in want. On the very starting, I began standing up for the federal employees, and we introduced that to deal with a number of the considerations with meals, we had been going to ship vital {dollars} to the meals banks by tomorrow. That shall be as much as $13 million. I’ve activated the Nationwide Guard. And we’re doing issues to be sure that nobody in West Virginia goes hungry.
Our individuals are hurting proper now, and I’m doing every part I can to resolve the issues whereas Washington bickers. However I do need to be clear, this shutdown may come to an finish instantly. It’s as much as Chuck Schumer or simply having six extra Democrats step throughout the road.
There’s been a clear CR on the desk out there for a while. Folks ought to reap the benefits of that and let’s get the federal government reopened after which we will go concerning the enterprise of fixing the various different issues going through our nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure. I’m sorry to listen to concerning the mining accident.
However on the difficulty of meals stamps, Governor Moore of Maryland mentioned that he had been instructed the state can be punished primarily for fronting the cash. Is that the message the federal authorities additionally gave to you, West Virginia received’t get these {dollars} again?
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: No. Nicely, to start with, I need to emphasize, the Trump administration has been an excellent associate to work with all through the previous yr by way of the financial progress that we’re making right here in West Virginia.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Certain.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: But in addition we’ve reached out – I used to be the primary particular person to succeed in out to the federal authorities. So we had our nationwide parks reopened.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: And now we’re working, by activating the Guard, and placing sources on the meals banks. We’re really making a distinction to maintain individuals from getting hungry.
So, we’ve been in very shut contact with the Trump administration. And so they’ve been very cooperative.
Look, I feel they know, and everybody’s pissed off, that you simply’re six votes quick. These Democrats are saying no to reopening the federal government. It’s a Schumer shutdown. I feel President Trump is bending over backwards to be useful, and I’m excited concerning the issues he’s doing by way of how he’s dealing with this and the broader financial points at giant.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, there may be the struggle within the courts particularly about offering full meals assist. The Trump administration initiated that. I need to play one thing for you as a result of 70 p.c of West Virginians voted for President Trump within the final election.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However right here’s how he described the meals stamp program.
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DONALD TRUMP, (President of america): Largely, whenever you discuss SNAP, you’re speaking about largely Democrats. However I’m president. I need to assist all people. I need to assist Democrats and Republicans. However whenever you’re speaking about SNAP, in the event you look, it’s largely Democrats. They’re hurting their very own individuals.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Have you ever made the White Home conscious of the ache from the meals SNAP – the meals program disruptions particularly?
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: Sure. So, we’ve been working carefully with the White Home. And I feel they know. They’ve been very supportive of numerous the efforts that we’re taking to be sure that individuals don’t get hungry. That’s the final word purpose. We have now to ensure we’re defending our individuals.
Margaret, you’re proper, we now have 270,000 plus individuals on SNAP. However, as soon as once more, there’s one cause why they’re not getting the sources. It’s as a result of individuals are insisting so as to add all these new items on prime of only a invoice (ph) to maintain the federal government open. That’s the priority we now have.
However we’ve been getting actually good response from the Trump administration throughout the board.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: Whether or not we’re speaking concerning the meals points, whether or not we’re speaking about our power jobs and even only recently the conversations we’re having about President Trump’s rural well being transformation invoice to place sources upfront to avoid wasting public expenditures on the again finish.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to ask you about that.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: That’s the form of good working relationship we’ve had.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to ask you about that as a result of I do know West Virginia has one of many highest charges within the nation for presidency insurance coverage. There’s concern about rural hospitals. There’s this rural well being transformation program Congress arrange. Your state may get $100 million a yr for 5 years, however your West Virginia Hospital Affiliation says that your hospitals are going to lose greater than $1 billion per yr due to this newest massive, stunning invoice Republicans handed. How do you make up that form of shortfall?
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: Nicely, I feel what President Trump and RFK and Dr. Oz are attempting to do is widespread sense. In the event you subscribe to the adage, an oz. of prevention is value a pound of treatment, what they’re making an attempt to do is make investments the one largest sum of money in bettering rural well being. And in West Virginia, meaning every part as a result of we’re a really rural state.
So, the sources can go to spend money on our individuals, to spend money on our hospitals, our suppliers, and the expertise that truly may transfer the needle by way of bettering well being care outcomes upfront.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: Attacking weight problems and COPD and substance use dysfunction.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: So, we’re actually enthusiastic about that as a result of if we apply the sources the fitting means, I don’t suppose we’re going to have the diminution of public expenditures on the again finish.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
GOVERNOR PATRICK MORRISEY: That is the common sense strategy we’re seeing from the Trump administration that we’re not seeing from Schumer and the Democrats in Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. All proper.
Governor, we now have to depart it there. We’re out of time. Thanks.
We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: America Marine Corps will mark its 250th birthday tomorrow. And Veterans Day is Tuesday.
For a lot of veterans, the top of their navy service will not be the top of their public service. Greater than 700,000 veterans work as civilians within the federal authorities. And because of the shutdown, most are furloughed or have been working with out pay for weeks.
In contrast to veterans, active-duty service members have been getting paid through the shutdown, however even that lifeline will expire Saturday. And a few context, many navy households already wrestle with a rising quantity compelled to hunt help from meals pantries over the previous few years amid excessive costs and mounting financial stress.
That’s it for us right now. Thanks for watching.
