Objection, your honor: main the witness. Jeffrey Epstein sufferer Sharlene Rochard gave her debut interview to MS NOW’s Jen Psaki, which was aired Tuesday night time’s The Briefing. Whereas Psaki tried to get her to hyperlink President Trump to Epstein’s intercourse trafficking exploits, Rochard was made uncomfortable by the clearly politically motived effort and repeatedly sought consolation within the counsel of fellow sufferer Virginia Giuffre’s kin who had been on set along with her.
The interview began off easy sufficient. Psaki requested innocuous questions on how Rochard acquired looped into Epstein’s world and the place she traveled as a mannequin. Then Psaki rapidly introduced up Trump’s well-known resort and urged Epstein had despatched her there to be with Trump:
PSAKI: Did you journey to Mar-a-Lago?
ROCHARD: Sure, I did.
PSAKI: And the way did you arrive at Mar-a-Lago? How did you find yourself going to Mar-a-Lago? Was he — did he ship you there? Have been you instructed to go there? How did that occur?
ROCHARD: There have been quite a lot of mannequin events on the Mar-a-Lago. Totally different folks would set them up, completely different magazines, and a limo would come, and also you’d leap within the limo and also you’d go.
Rochard didn’t declare she was despatched there by Epstein. And as if Psaki didn’t hear her accurately, and seemingly ignoring the half about magazines renting out the resort for occasions, she tried to get Rochard to say so:
PSAKI: And Jeffrey Epstein or somebody who labored for him would inform you to go there?
ROCHARD: No, it was only a place the place one thing was held, a celebration was held, and folks would go to completely different occasions.
Even after Rochard refused to explicitly hyperlink Epstein’s prison operations to Trump, Psaki flat-out requested if Trump was conscious of Epstein’s recruitment or trafficking practices on the resort:
PSAKI: That is about a lot a couple of particular person, Jeffrey Epstein, or Ghislaine Maxwell or Donald Trump. However as a result of Donald Trump is an individual who, in fact, owns Mar-a-Lago, I simply need to ask in case you assume he was conscious of that association.
ROCHARD: I do not know if he was conscious. Really, I can not reply that. I am sorry.
When it turned apparent Psaki she wasn’t going to get the smoking gun she needed, she opened the ground to Rochard to share no matter she needed. Rochard merely put the highlight again on Epstein alone: “Horrible issues had occurred to me inside my time with coping with Jeffrey Epstein. I had encounters with people who I might fairly not have.”
Powerful luck, Psaki. This fact you’ve been in search of will certainly present itself… sometime!
The transcript is under. Click on “develop” learn:
MS NOW’s The Briefing with Jen Psaki
November 18, 2025
9:17:43 p.m. EST
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JEN PSAKI: In your expertise of what you had been requested to do, I do know that Epstein himself, in fact, was a predator. Have been you — did you journey to the island?
SHARLENE ROCHARD: Sure, I did. I used to be in New York, Miami and on the island.
PSAKI: Did you journey to Mar-a-Lago?
ROCHARD: Sure, I did.
PSAKI: And the way did you arrive at Mar-a-Lago? How did you find yourself going to Mar-a-Lago? Was he — did he ship you there? Have been you instructed to go there? How did that occur?
ROCHARD: There have been quite a lot of mannequin events on the Mar-a-Lago. Totally different folks would set them up, completely different magazines, and a limo would come, and also you’d leap within the limo and also you’d go.
PSAKI: And Jeffrey Epstein or somebody who labored for him would inform you to go there?
ROCHARD: No, it was only a place the place one thing was held, a celebration was held, and folks would go to completely different occasions.
PSAKI: That is about a lot a couple of particular person, Jeffrey Epstein, or Ghislaine Maxwell or Donald Trump. However as a result of Donald Trump is an individual who, in fact, owns Mar-a-Lago, I simply need to ask in case you assume he was conscious of that association.
ROCHARD: I do not know if he was conscious. Really, I can not reply that. I am sorry.
PSAKI: And also you had been in your teenagers. You had been in your teenagers. And I feel, that is vital for folks to grasp, that folks had been of their teenagers and had been younger, and also you had been a younger mannequin and also you had been dealt with by a predator.
Let me ask you one thing else, as a result of, once more, it is a lot greater than a few folks. Have been you trafficked to different folks?
ROCHARD: What do I — can I —
AMANDA ROBERTS: You may say sure, however you do not have to call names.
ROCHARD: Proper.
PSAKI: You solely share —
ROCHARD: Sorry.
ROBERTS: Yeah — no, it’s okay.
PSAKI: — what you need to share. You do not have to be sorry for something. And I am asking you this as a result of I feel it is vital to grasp, as folks do perceive about Virginia’s story, that it isn’t about only one particular person or two folks. It is a lot greater than that. You may share no matter you need to share.
ROCHARD: Horrible issues had occurred to me inside my time with coping with Jeffrey Epstein. I had encounters with people who I might fairly not have.
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